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GD: Ya, I also saw the UFC when Couture called Silva into the ring after he beat Vitor. Again, though Silva has not mentioned wanting to fight Vitor again, at all. The only thing i can recall is what I mentioned in the other post.

Couture vs. Silva would probably be the biggest fight ever in MMA: the undisputed champs of UFC and Pride coming off huge wins and looking unbeatable in their respective organizations (kinda like if Saku and Frank Shamrock would have fought back in the day).

The match also pairs up the best Thai boxer in MMA and Greco Roman wrestler in MMA (making their styles work best in MMA). They are also 2 of the biggest warriors of the sport, neither ever, ever show any sign of letting up.

The battle of the clinch would be awesome: who would have their way, the guy that has the best Thai clinch in the game or the best Greco/Dirty boxer?

As you probably know, UFC sent Chuck Liddel to the Pride MW GP (w/ Dana White publicly betting like 500 grand on Liddel, never paid of course) and Takada also showed up at the UFC before saying that he would get Saku and Fujita in the ring (never happened or mentioned since).

I really doubt the Couture/Silva fight is gonna happen: where would it happen? This would be the first time 2 champions of the 2 biggest organizations would get it on.

Most people figure Silva has the edge in Pride and Couture in the UFC (because of Couture's ability to use the fence on the ground).

It really go either way I think but not holding my breathe for it...its gonna take a lot of the stars lined up in the right place for it to go down...

[kamenriderv3]

gr did write some stuff on saku but it was a short thing.

i know how you feel about wanting stuff written about specific topics...but its probably not going to help if you say what people should write about...repeatedly. its bound to get rejected just based on that. know what i mean?

silva vs couture would be great. it could go either way. it would be interesting if they had two fights, one in ufc and one in pride. a win for each would end up as a "tie". frustrating to some hardcore fans but it could acceptable to both organizations.

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Yeah, the only thing that I'm afraid of is Silva's glass jaw. If you notice, Vanderlei is like a pitbull in the ring. He charges and leaves himself open hoping that the flurry of punches would leave no openings. But sometimes there are windows of opportunites for his opponent. If you hit his sweet spot he goes down but no one has capitalized on that. Dan Henderson, Sakuraba's first fight with Silva, Quinton, Guy Mezger and a few others have hit that sweet spot. Vanderlei goes down but does recover immediately. I'm very suprised that no one has G'n'P'd him after that first connection. The only person that has actually succeeded in this is Vitor. If you remember there first fight in UFC, he connected got him down and just kept on going. I believe that is the only way anyone can beat Vanderlei. And I don't believe Couture would even think of that gameplan because he is a world-class wrestler with the stamina of a race horse and not a striker.

If that fight happened it would go the distance for sure. I'm willing to bet it would be a very bloody match because Couture can take a punch and Silva does dish them out. I think the whole fight would be a big chess match. And would probably mirror the same outcome as (Couture vs. Pedro Hizzo) and ( Vanderlei vs. Yoshida)

One thing is for sure. It would make a awesome fight between the two divisions.

As for Vanderlei and Vitor, yeah in one of his interviews before the Couture vs. Vitor match, he said he would be Vitor's "Cheerleader" because it would give him a opportunity to fight Vitor again. But we shall see, Vitor just signed with Brazilian Top Team and hopefully over there he can get his act together instead of getting sidetracked by his wife:

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The "glass jaw" thing is talked about endlessly about Silva. It depends on what you think that means. Like you said, he's been dropped by many times by many people he's fought but its one of the biggest myths that Silva just charges carelessly against opponents that can hurt him with strikes.

Just take his fight with Crocop. Everyone thought Crocop would murder Silva since even Saku had dropped Silva but they pretty much had a stalemate that night in the standup department.

Look at his last fight with Rampage: how disciplined was that on the part of Silva? He boxed a strategic fight like he does when he fights good guys. Look at his last 2 fights with Sak. He was patient both times. In fight 2, he got caught in takedowns twice when he advanced towards Sak and in fight 3 he was even more patient and let Sak come to him. His last fight with Rampage should leave no questions about his ring smarts and strategy.

As far as oppoents following up on momentarily dropping him, you mentioned Dan Henderson, who really had Silva hurt and Silva was lucky with the fight stoppage to check Silva's cut. They should never stop a fight for a cut check when a fighter is stunned or in trouble. Just last fight, Rampage dropped Silva and did follow up on the ground. He got to a deep half guard and was giving Silva some good GNP but time ran out.

You have to remember Silva's ground game/bjj is also stellar these days (he was awarded his black belt but more due to his MMA accomplishments) so its not like he's a fish out of water down there.

As for Vitor, ya, he has rejoined BTT but he's just so dam inconsistent. I think Silva would be too smart to get caught in a Vitor flurry like last time and if Vitor didnt get one of those away in the first round, it would be all down hill from there. Silva's grit and will would just eat away at him minute by minute. Though, it Vitor does put some descent wins together, he could get another shot with Silva since he has fought in Pride already and there is less paper work to get thru than the Randy/Vanderlei fight.

I honestly dont think Couture/Silva is gonna happen though.

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BJ Penn is also fighting Rodrigo Gracie soon....

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Official:

Royce Gracie vs. Akebono, MMA rules fight in K-1 (www.mmaweekly.com)

Pride lineup: http://kakuto.com/article.php?sid=314&thold=0

Pretty stellar card. Saku vs. Tamura is a fight years in the making and a rare one between 2 top Japanese and international (if a little over the hill) fighters (with similar weights).

Crocop is taking on a fellow K-1 fighter in MMA in Hunt. Note that CC was good in K-1 but not great.

I doubt Inoue or Suzuki will actually fight Silva. They may make coin but will embarass the judo world.

The (2nd) most important fight is Henderson vs. Lil Mino. Minotoro has beaten TK, Mezger and Sak. Henderson got a controversial decision over Minotauro in Rings and later gave another good fight to Minotauro in Pride but got stopped.

This is a big fight of the LHW class in Pride. Henderson needs to win this to stay in contention for a rematch with Silva.

AND THEN: The epic re-rematch between the 2 best HWs on the planet: Fedor vs. Minotauro. Note that this is for the GP and HW belt.

Again, this ones almost too close to call but slight edge to the Russian.

[kamenriderv3]

i considered going to the penn/gracie thing this weekend but its usually a little disappointing to see mma live. hard to view the grappling portion. i'll wait for the dvd.

i am not impressed with the royce/akebono matchup. i hope akebono finally gets a win.

the pride show sounds good. if fedor and minotauro fight the same way then fedor has a good chance. i think mino needs to press the action a little more even though that is liable to get his clock cleaned. but if he goes on the defense with the guard then fedor is just going to ground-n-pound and do it effectively.

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Kamen, guess you from the islands, eh? Never been to MMA live but have always imagined that there is a good chance you may not see a triangle happening if the fighters are on the ground, in the opposite corner with their asses being pointed at ya.

I'm taking BJ over Rodrigo.

Take Royce/Akebono with a grain of salt. I think Royce will get a rear naked choke in about 5-10 minutes.

Thats the verdict of most for Mino to win over Fedor, as apparently he was being more offensive in the last fight. But, as some have noted, Fedor already had Mino seeing a few stars before they hit the ground last time.

Still, if Mino doesnt catch Fedor in the opening minutes, it will proably be a long night for him. Can he do it?

Though I love Mino and he is a proven warrior, Mino was whining some about after the stoppage last time, I hope Fedor teaches him another lesson, personally.

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Anyone see the Kimbo vs Gannon "The Cannon" fight? Kimbo is that big black ex-felon dude from the backyard brawlin vid thats been floating around the internet. He beats this lil'er black dude up and makes his eye bulge out. Gannon is a MMA/NHB fighter.

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Originally posted by BOON
Kamen, guess you from the islands, eh? Never been to MMA live but have always imagined that there is a good chance you may not see a triangle happening if the fighters are on the ground, in the opposite corner with their asses being pointed at ya.

I'm taking BJ over Rodrigo.

Take Royce/Akebono with a grain of salt. I think Royce will get a rear naked choke in about 5-10 minutes.

Thats the verdict of most for Mino to win over Fedor, as apparently he was being more offensive in the last fight. But, as some have noted, Fedor already had Mino seeing a few stars before they hit the ground last time.

Still, if Mino doesnt catch Fedor in the opening minutes, it will proably be a long night for him. Can he do it?

Though I love Mino and he is a proven warrior, Mino was whining some about after the stoppage last time, I hope Fedor teaches him another lesson, personally.

BJ owned Matt Hughes and will own Rodrigo although he is one of the toughest Gracie's.

Royce should stay retired.

Nog has a "chin of steel" he has gone the distance with many. That's his style. He will wait for the opening, and when they make a mistake or gas out, he goes for the sub. Fedor does have good endurance although he may not look it hence the name Cyborg. But Fedor gives up the arm a lot while he GnP's. I say Nog by ARMBAR.

BTW you would be complaining to, if you trained very hard for a fight and he was this close to a $300,000 payday. I mean Couture got a gash in the eye and Vitor won cuz of that stoppage. Im not nuthuggin cuz i could care less for either one. But I have seen Nog suprise a lot of people and survived a lot of fights. Outcome would be the same as Mino vs. Crocop. Armbar!

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Originally posted by herrokitty


gannon wins

The Hard Way!

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"nigga gotta eat"

much props to kimbo for trying.

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"BJ owned Matt Hughes and will own Rodrigo although he is one of the toughest Gracie's."

BJ did own Hughes but could barely get past Uno the fight before (which of course BJ should have gotten the decison but still..). BJ wants to avenge his only loss to Pulver, I say he has to rematch Hughes first.

Rodrigo Gracie and Matt Hughes are 2 entirely different fightes, styles make fights.

"He will wait for the opening, and when they make a mistake or gas out, he goes for the sub. Fedor does have good endurance although he may not look it hence the name Cyborg. But Fedor gives up the arm a lot while he GnP's. I say Nog by ARMBAR."

- Disgree: Mino is always on the offense when looking for a sub, not just waiting for that big mistake, he creates them, which he will have to do to catch Fedor. If he waits, he will just get bombed again, I think.

Mino had a whole fight to catch the arm that Fedor supposedly gives up while GNP'ing. He countered every sub attempt with ease in their first fight.

"BTW you would be complaining to, if you trained very hard for a fight and he was this close to a $300,000 payday."

- completely understand that since Mino had to be obsessed with getting revenge on his only MMA loss but he just said some shit about Fedor after that was pretty lame, cant remember exactly what but it included shit like: he thought Fedor butted him on purpose (theres been huge debates on that), that he deserved the win because of the cut, which is complete crap.

"I mean Couture got a gash in the eye and Vitor won cuz of that stoppage"

- bad example: everyone knows that was a meaningless match and they had a rematch to settle it (though that had some controversy itself).

"But I have seen Nog suprise a lot of people and survived a lot of fights"

- I agree, like i said, Nog is one of the games' most proven warriors but Fujita just took a big slice out of Nog's win over Sapp (styles make fights!)

And although I think its very possible that Nog could tapp Fedor, there is a slight difference in ground/sub skill between CC and Fedor.

GD: how about a friendly bet, homes?

You're picking Mino by armbar, I'll go with Fedor surviving Mino's initial sub attempt offensive and then proceeding to GNP Mino to a pulp like last time.

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GD, re: Royce, I do understand that Royce is gonna make coin on the Akebono fight but at the same time, this is the type of guy that is always talking about honour, family legacy, etc.

Royce is old now and I think his domination of Yoshida was probably his last big win. Did you hear about a possible Royce back in the UFC vs. Miletich, possibly?

I mean, they are both UFC legends and are about the same weight.

The problem I have with Royce and Rickson is that they are very selective with who they fight.

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Originally posted by BOON
GD: how about a friendly bet, homes?

You're picking Mino by armbar, I'll go with Fedor surviving Mino's initial sub attempt offensive and then proceeding to GNP Mino to a pulp like last time.

I'm down! It'll make the fight a little bit more exciting as oppose to a Fedor vs. Crocop fight. lol